Post by The Inspector on Oct 30, 2013 11:46:43 GMT -5
More likely Bronze-Green. Z.C. was too 'loud' especially in the Pacific and hard to 'see around' for the pilots. Internal areas like engine firewall and mount compartments were a mix of shades of chromate from electric yellow/green to pretty dark depending on who the subcontractor was.
Every modeller falls for Model Master 'Interior Green' which is also too loud and is a 50's color, MM Euro dark green 'F.S.34097' is closer (and close enough). Dig around in earlier postings here for the address for IPMSstockholm.org who've done a whole lengthly article on interior paint and colors. B-17 cockpits were sort of a darkish metalic green and most B-17 aft fuselages away from the flight deck, were bare metal because it provided better free lighting in areas where your attention better be on the end of that M-2 sticking out the side as well as cutting down on dead weight and time/complexity in production. It took about 18 hours to mask and paint a B-17 so more and more supplier assemblies came in already painted which accounts for the patchwork quilt exterior colors on vertical fins and outer wing panels.
Most exterior areas like wheel wells were mostly bare metal since the calculated lifespan of a fighter was around 100 hours in combat. The Russians still do (or did until recently) stick with the 100 hour combat life limits so anything that couldn't be done quickly like wheel/brake/tire changes or other 'ramp side' fixes required a trip to depot level for accomplishment (engine changes, strut rebuilds, etc).
"I can't remember the last time I forgot something.....'
Post by Steve Nelson on Oct 31, 2013 1:36:31 GMT -5
For a camouflaged P-38, the wheel wells and landing gear would be Neutral Gray, same as the underside. The cockpit is a bit more tricky. I don't know if Lockheed used Dull Dark Green in cockpits or not. Personally, I'd go with "Interior Green." The actual color was officially called "Tinted Zinc Chromate," and was a mix of ten parts Zinc Chromate Yellow and one part black. Since the color was mixed as needed, the actual shade varied considerably. When "Glacier Girl" was restored (a P-38F I think) their research indicated the cockpit was Olive Drab like the exterior. I'm not sure I buy that..I would lean towards just a darker than usual Tinted Zinc Chromate (Interior Green.) Whatever you do, don't use the Model Master color labeled "Zinc Chromate Green," which is a bright, lurid color with a bluish cast. I've seen it used on some modern aircraft as a primer, but nothing similar in WWII.
Post by Steve Nelson on Oct 31, 2013 8:55:12 GMT -5
The FS number sounds about right, but I haven't seen Pactra paint in decades!
Now that I'm home from work, here are a few details pics I took of the P-38 at the National Air and Space Museum. Granted, it's a later model, but it's never been restored and still retains all its original paint. I don't know, but I think it could be inferred that Lockheed didn't change the painting specs until camouflage was deleted, so this one is about the best reference you'll likely find for colors.
Landing gear struts and wheel wells are Neutral Gray, with bare aluminum wheels (which may have replaced painted ones during its operational career.)
Cockpit (including seat) appears to be (battered and faded) Interior Green, with black radios on the back shelf. The area over the instrument panel is covered by a fabric "boot." It's quite faded, but looks to have originally been Olive Drab. The P-38G had a different windscreen with a separate internal armor glass panel, but photos seem to indicate it had a similar fabric boot.
Perfect, that settles it: "Interior Green" for the cockpit, I guess I'm going to go with Vallejo Interior Green 71.010 (Airbrush colors), or perhaps mix it a little with Pactra A-35 to match the color in the bottom photo; natural gray wheel wells, doors and struts.
The first photo will also help me with the propellers: my Lightning kit has separate propeller blades and so I need to establish the right angle and pitch in relation to the spinner.
*B-29 sms*: Very cool stuff. Good find
Dec 22, 2015 16:41:04 GMT -5
loic: Hello, on Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_SBD_Dauntless), it is stated that 174 SBD-3 were ordered by France before june 40. This batch then went to the US Navy. Indeed, the first group (serial numbers 4518-4691) counts 174 planes! Ideas ?
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