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Post by The Inspector on Dec 6, 2013 22:58:43 GMT -5
UAL today bumped a confirmed, boarded passenger off a flight from SEA to HNL because 'they needed to increase the fuel load because of bad weather'.
So 1 180lb guy equals less than 20 gallons of Jet 'A'- The individual bumped was a 90 year old Pearl Harbor survivor but UAL did spring into action and rebooked him on another flight 8 hours later!
What low rent, disgraceful, disrespectful thing to do-I wouldn't tell people I worked in PAX Sevices at UAL, I'd tell them I played piano in a whore house-
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Post by Steve Nelson on Dec 7, 2013 0:06:53 GMT -5
A craptastic situation to be sure, but to be fair a total of 41 pax were bumped from the flight, apparently before boarding. I hate to say it, but safety rules is safety rules. Sometimes you just get stuck in a crappy situation and there's just no good way out. If you want to be mad at somebody, how about the other pax who were unwilling to give up their seats for the vet? Although I doubt they were even aware of the situation at the time.
I've only flown commercial twice in my life, most recently in '06. The experience was mostly positive, but the only reason I would voluntarily endure the craziness is if my destination is more than two days' drive away..which is very rare. Anything less is just not worth the hassle.
SN
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Post by The Inspector on Dec 7, 2013 0:36:44 GMT -5
A craptastic situation to be sure, but to be fair a total of 41 pax were bumped from the flight, apparently before boarding. I hate to say it, but safety rules is safety rules. Sometimes you just get stuck in a crappy situation and there's just no good way out. If you want to be mad at somebody, how about the other pax who were unwilling to give up their seats for the vet? Although I doubt they were even aware of the situation at the time. I've only flown commercial twice in my life, most recently in '06. The experience was mostly positive, but the only reason I would voluntarily endure the craziness is if my destination is more than two days' drive away..which is very rare. Anything less is just not worth the hassle. SN So, 490+/- pounds (52 gallons) of jet 'A' or about 8 minutes through two RB-211's on a 757. It's really comforting that UAL couldn't find seats elsewhere since there are about two dozen (or more) flights to Hawai'i everyday, and people ask me why I stopped flying commercially- |
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Post by yardbird78 on Dec 7, 2013 5:04:21 GMT -5
Commercial air travel has GOT to be one of the most frustrating experiences in human history. It is so full of crappy stories like this. Some of them are easily preventable with a little common sense and some of them are the result of stupid rules and even more stupid interpretation of those rules.
Darwin
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Post by Nathan Milarta on Dec 7, 2013 12:57:54 GMT -5
Commercial air travel has GOT to be one of the most frustrating experiences in human history. It is so full of crappy stories like this. Some of them are easily preventable with a little common sense and some of them are the result of stupid rules and even more stupid interpretation of those rules. Darwin Hey, it's the U.S, everything is crappy anymore! Everything is dictated by liability. Common sense went out the door years ago.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2013 13:35:16 GMT -5
I rarely fly commercial aircraft these days - the reason is my hearing aids on one recent flight I have to take off my hearing aids and go through 3-4 checkpoints for security and x-rays before getting on the darn airplane.
I just wanted to vent my frustrations on TSA for making my flight a horrible because I have to take off my shoes, hearing aids, and remove all my metals before getting on board a flight.
Flying after 9/11 became more and more a headache ...
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Post by The Inspector on Dec 7, 2013 14:59:18 GMT -5
I rarely fly commercial aircraft these days - the reason is my hearing aids on one recent flight I have to take off my hearing aids and go through 3-4 checkpoints for security and x-rays before getting on the darn airplane. I just wanted to vent my frustrations on TSA for making my flight a horrible because I have to take off my shoes, hearing aids, and remove all my metals before getting on board a flight. Flying after 9/11 became more and more a headache ... Headache!??! I've got a much lower opinion of all the 'Luggage Inspectors of Penzance'equine byproduct' used to make the sheeple feel all warm and fuzzy by keeping you from trimming your fingernails on the plane, but allowing you to carry a bunch of common item dangerous weapons like ball point pens, a ring of keys, and Credit cards (stabbing tools, and a credit card makes a handy slashing tool as does a regular old pocket comb)- |
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Post by Greg on Dec 7, 2013 23:05:40 GMT -5
My daughter is almost two and a half and we flew on three trips this year. The last trip was 7 days where we weren't going to be able to make it to a store so we traveled with toddler stuff - toddler and late stage baby food, toddler juice boxes, etc. It was all done by the book and in it's own opened bag going through security, all sealed containers, etc. Both times through security they pulled everything out of the bags and looked at everything to the point of reading labels on packages. At my home airport they went as far as giving me the full terrorist treatment, pulling me behind the glass panels and giving me a 'pat down' which seemed like I should have had to pay extra for. They also swabbed my hands, shoes, etc, along with swabbing the baby food to check for bomb residue. The guy told me specifically he had to do this since we were traveling with a large amount of baby food and it was in a carry on legal sized bag which had other stuff in it too. I had a hard time trying not to laugh through the pat (rub) down because I wanted to ask the guy if he was expecting a tip.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2013 8:13:13 GMT -5
I rarely fly commercial aircraft these days - the reason is my hearing aids on one recent flight I have to take off my hearing aids and go through 3-4 checkpoints for security and x-rays before getting on the darn airplane. I just wanted to vent my frustrations on TSA for making my flight a horrible because I have to take off my shoes, hearing aids, and remove all my metals before getting on board a flight. Flying after 9/11 became more and more a headache ... Headache!??! I've got a much lower opinion of all the 'Luggage Inspectors of Penzance'equine byproduct' used to make the sheeple feel all warm and fuzzy by keeping you from trimming your fingernails on the plane, but allowing you to carry a bunch of common item dangerous weapons like ball point pens, a ring of keys, and Credit cards (stabbing tools, and a credit card makes a handy slashing tool as does a regular old pocket comb)- Your point is well received and noted for!  |
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Post by Nathan Milarta on Dec 8, 2013 17:42:46 GMT -5
My daughter is almost two and a half and we flew on three trips this year. The last trip was 7 days where we weren't going to be able to make it to a store so we traveled with toddler stuff - toddler and late stage baby food, toddler juice boxes, etc. It was all done by the book and in it's own opened bag going through security, all sealed containers, etc. Both times through security they pulled everything out of the bags and looked at everything to the point of reading labels on packages. At my home airport they went as far as giving me the full terrorist treatment, pulling me behind the glass panels and giving me a 'pat down' which seemed like I should have had to pay extra for. They also swabbed my hands, shoes, etc, along with swabbing the baby food to check for bomb residue. The guy told me specifically he had to do this since we were traveling with a large amount of baby food and it was in a carry on legal sized bag which had other stuff in it too. I had a hard time trying not to laugh through the pat (rub) down because I wanted to ask the guy if he was expecting a tip. I'll take the bus...thank you.  |
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Post by The Inspector on Dec 8, 2013 21:23:47 GMT -5
My daughter is almost two and a half and we flew on three trips this year. The last trip was 7 days where we weren't going to be able to make it to a store so we traveled with toddler stuff - toddler and late stage baby food, toddler juice boxes, etc. It was all done by the book and in it's own opened bag going through security, all sealed containers, etc. Both times through security they pulled everything out of the bags and looked at everything to the point of reading labels on packages. At my home airport they went as far as giving me the full terrorist treatment, pulling me behind the glass panels and giving me a 'pat down' which seemed like I should have had to pay extra for. They also swabbed my hands, shoes, etc, along with swabbing the baby food to check for bomb residue. The guy told me specifically he had to do this since we were traveling with a large amount of baby food and it was in a carry on legal sized bag which had other stuff in it too. I had a hard time trying not to laugh through the pat (rub) down because I wanted to ask the guy if he was expecting a tip. Being the kind of guy I am, I'd have demanded a 'reach around', a phone number, and a kiss. Most of the serial gropers are ex Security Guard types who weren't allowed to work posts requiring a firearm.  |
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Post by garym on Dec 18, 2013 10:19:38 GMT -5
A craptastic situation to be sure, but to be fair a total of 41 pax were bumped from the flight, apparently before boarding. 41 pax and their bags would be around 8,000 lbs of fuel and considering they are going to a group of islands, they may have needed the extra fuel due to arrival weather. I'd blame UAL/Cont for not using the right kind of aircaft/tool to get the job done. Remember, all this TSA stuff is all because of some guys that ride on donkeys and live in caves. I still can't fathom how that happened..... |
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Post by *BYE BYE* on Dec 24, 2013 11:44:23 GMT -5
and people ask me why I stopped flying commercially- So instead of flying 'commercially'.., do you just take out your G550 instead?  |
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Post by The Inspector on Dec 24, 2013 13:33:11 GMT -5
No, I quit flying all together-no need as my kids and grandkids all live locally and I said years ago that when I bailed out and retired, if I can't get 'there' in a few days on my touring motorcycle, ain't no need to go 'there'.
I travel at my own pace, stop when and where I want, like in Eastern Oregon on a ride to visit a friend in Idaho, so I could see the Oregon trail route (pretty inspiring)and see the Snake Rivers 'Hells Canyon', hard to do from row 17, seat 'D' in a SWA pumpkin.
I spent a couple of decades as the 'designated test flight inspector'and frankly, it just got boring (aside from doing deep stalls in an MD-80 a few times, and those are just like a big 182). I much prefer getting into 6th gear, clicking on the bikes cruise control and relaxing by watching the scenery go by until 'hey! I need a drink or, I need to pee, or I'm a bit peckish'and being able to go 240 or so miles between fill ups is fine and about as far as I can push my bladder.
Right now, I can't wait for the weather to get better so I can blast over the Cascades to Eastern Washington and enjoy the scenery on the dry side. Europe?, Asia? never had much interest, didn't leave anything on top of a mountain-
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Post by yardbird78 on Dec 24, 2013 15:40:39 GMT -5
I practically lived on an airplane during my 21 year Air Force career, so when I retired in 1984, I said, "No more." It will very soon be 30 years since I have been on an airplane and I certainly do not miss it. If I cannot get there by driving, I won't be going there.
Darwin
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